In reading thru some of the topics, several things have been discussed
as fact. Would love to have some sources to back up these .
1 The dead sea scroll not naming Jesus
all I can find online are christians stating that they do.
2 That Jesus name was not agreed upon until 335 AD
cannot find confirmation on this as well
I am not a christian
The Jewish books of the Dead Sea Scrolls have nothing to do with, the name Jesus or his apostles, the Gospel writers or Christianity. Very few people (other than scholars) have read The Dead Sea Scrolls. I have heard people repeating what they were told or have read about The Dead Sea Scrolls, but only a total lack of any real knowledge of the actual documents (scrolls) could lead anyone to think that the Dead Sea Scrolls have a connection to Christianity. If Christians think that the Dead Sea Scrolls support the existence of Jesus I don't know where they got the information, but it surely wasn't from reading the translated scrolls, or from the scholars who can read Hebrew and Aramaic. The fact is that many people read only those things that support what they already believe. They don't read scholarly work and that makes it very easy to exploit them. Like St. Jerome said, "There is nothing so easy as by sheer volubility to deceive a common crowd or an uneducated congregation." It also makes it easy to enslave people with religious superstitions. Many things in the Bible have been proven to have no historic, archaeological, or scientific proof to back it up but the clergy never mentions that. The actual definite outlines of any religion of that day is unknown, because there are no surviving scriptures available.
The Dead Sea Scrolls were being written in 150 BCE and continued until 70 CE, a period of 220 years. During those years 872 scrolls were written in Hebrew and Aramaic by the peoples of Qumran. The supposed life of Jesus was between 2 BCE and 36 CE (38 years) and the Great Temple of the Jews in Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans in 70 CE. These dates are important to understand what the Dead Sea Scrolls revealed. After scholars completed the translation work on the Dead Sea Scrolls it was obvious that nowhere in the Dead Sea Scrolls was the name of Jesus, and Christianity had no support in the translations. The Dead Sea Scrolls challenged the fundamental beliefs of Christianity. The scrolls make no mention of Jesus and his 'message' did not originate with him. The Dead Sea Scrolls were about an ultra conservative Jewish movement (not early Christians) based in Qumran going back at least 100 years BCE. The Dead Scrolls disclosed that many of the practices that people now regard as Christian innovations are not. The Lord's Prayer and the Lord's Supper can be traced to the Qumrans, also going back at least one century before the alleged Jesus' virgin birth. The Sermon on the Mount is recorded in the Gospel of Matthew and Luke about fifty years after Jesus allegedly gave the sermon. The Gospels of Mark and John say nothing about The Sermon on the Mount and neither do Paul, Peter or John because the Sermon on the Mount was recorded in the Book of Enoch at least 100 years before Jesus, as the Dead Sea Scrolls reveal.
The Dead Sea Scrolls tell of a movement that was a Jewish 'Apocalyptic cult' waiting to do battle with the forces of evil in which righteousness would prevail. The Qumrans were making themselves ready for the great battle in which they firmly believed that the forces of evil would die upon the blazing spears held by the hands of the 'Sons of Light.' In the year 70 CE the Romans utterly destroyed the people of Qumran and the Temple in Jerusalem. Until 70 CE the Qumrans were waiting for the Mashiah or Mashiach, which means (anointed one) it is a term traditionally referring to a future Jewish king the word (messiah) is a misinterpretation. The Jews at Qumran were waiting on a future Jewish king to appear and deliver them. The Mashiah, according to Jewish belief, was not a God that would deliver his people by clearing their way to heaven. The messiah was to be an empowered King who would destroy the enemies of the Jews and regain their Holy Land. Their enemies were the Romans or (future Christians). Essentially everything Christians have been told about Christianity is false. Their beliefs are based on a misinterpretation of the word Mashiah 'Messiah' a (Mashiah that never came) and colorful layers of various pagan beliefs of the Roman culture.
The Gospels are the sole source of information about a historical Jesus. Everything that we know about Jesus and Christianity depends on that source. Confucius 6th century BC Chinese sage and founder of Confucianism from the Analects "love thy neighbor as thyself. Do nothing to thy neighbor, which thou wouldst not have him do to thee hereafter". The verses and saying attributed to Jesus existed long before he was invented. They were not original to the Gospels. Unknown authors wrote the Gospels the names are only titles. Nobody knows when they were written or who wrote them. The Bible-based religions we now have are nothing like the Hebrew religion of the church established at Jerusalem. The practices of this first Jewish church are not practiced by any major religion and they are almost unknown. In its place are doctrines of Christianity, which was begun by Constantine. In Matthew and Mark the Romans crucify Jesus, but in Luke and John it is the Jews who crucify him. Numbers 23:19 states that God is not a man. God was not born, and God certainly did not die. Geesh! How can anyone claim to believe this stuff is true when obviously the 'Gospel' contradicts itself and the New Testament contradicts the Old Testament about God?
Eusebius served as an ecclesiastical church historian and bishop, and he had great influence in the early Church. Eusebius openly advocated the use of fraud and deception in furthering the interests of the Church. The first mention of Jesus by Josephus came from Eusebius (none of the earlier church fathers mention Josephus' Jesus). Scholars have determined that Eusebius not Josephus was responsible for those writings. Eusebius wrote about "how it may be lawful and fitting to use falsehood as a medicine, and for the benefit of those who want to be deceived."
There are no independent sources for the Gospel's Jesus that has not been absolutely discredited. Some Christians use brief portions of the Talmud, (a collection of Jewish civil a religious law, including commentaries on the Torah), as evidence for Jesus. They claim that Yeshu (a common name in Jewish literature) in the Talmud refers to Jesus. However, this Jesus, actually depicts a disciple of Jehoshua Ben-Perachia at least a century before the alleged Christian Jesus. The Palestinian Talmud was written between the 3rd and 5th century C.E., and the Babylonian Talmud between the 3rd and 6th century C.E., at least two centuries after the alleged crucifixion.
The Jesus story is a combo Christian - pagan legend; it is not evidence for a historical Jesus. Celsus pointed out the same flaws in the Christian cult that has been noted by scholars today. By burning anything that contradicted their books they silenced the critics, and started re-writing the past. This is why any claim that there had to have been a historical Jesus fails. A study of the true circumstances of Christianity's beginnings (although this is difficult) considering how much of their "heroic" past was burned and destroyed, reveals precisely the pattern expected if the Jesus religion was an offshoot from other existing religious myths.
It took political change and a lot of lying to institutionalize the Christian religion. There were no actual witnesses, contemporary followers or miraculous apostles. This new religion was designed to take out other competing religions. All the other religions died out (some were assisted) leaving our current orthodoxy. "What profit has not that fable of Christ brought us!" - Pope Leo X 1513 -1521
The first ecclesiastical gathering in history is known as the Council of Nicaea. Constantine, who was initiated into the religious order of Sol Invictus, chaired this event. Sol Invictus was one of two major cults that regarded the Sun as the only Supreme God, and the other one was Mithraism. Because of his Sun worship, he instructed Eusebius to convene the first gathering on the summer solstice, June 21 325 AD. This is in the Catholic Encyclopedia and other existing Church records. In an account of the proceedings of presbyters gathered at Nicaea, Dr Richard Watson, a disillusioned Christian historian and previously Bishop of Llandaff in Wales, referred to them as "a set of gibbering idiots." It was this useless body of men who were responsible for the new Roman religion, and "the convention was composed of the lowest rabble and patronized the vilest abominations."
We know (even the Church) admits that there are vital records missing from the Council of Nicaea and that the documentation recording the true nature of the creation of Jesus Christ was later suppressed or destroyed. Bishop Eusebius sat on the right of the emperor Flavius Constantine at that meeting, and under those conditions, two thousand bishops, priests; deacons came together to debate and decide what would be the one new religion. A council of men decided it all. At that time there were many beliefs and gospels. There were numerous varieties of Eastern and Western divinities and beliefs. There were violent arguments between the bishops over inclusion of particular writings that promoted their god. There are historical accounts that describe the assembly of men at Nicaea as illiterate, simple creatures who understood nothing. At that time most Roman aristocracy worshipped Apollo, but the masses worshiped Julius Caesar. Caesar was deified by the Roman Senate five days after his death (March 44 BC) and was thereafter venerated as the Divine Julius. Caesar was the most popular god among the common people for more than 400 years; the followers were called Caesareans. Three ancient provincial cities were named Caesarea in his honor. Josephus described a massive structure built and dedicated in the first century to the honor of the Divine Julius at the Palestinian Caesarea. Julius Caesar was a popular god in the western culture, but he was not recognized in Eastern or Oriental culture. It was Constantine's goal to unite all of the religions into a new religion at the council of Nicaea. That is why they needed to create a new god for the Empire that would unite all religious factions under one deity. The names of numerous gods entered for discussion and they balloted in order to determine the matter. The balloting lasted for over a year.
When Flavius Constantine returned he discover that they had not picked a new deity, but they had a list of five prospects, namely, Caesar, Krishna, Mithra, Horus, and Zeus. Constantine was the decider at Nicaea and ultimately decided the new god for them. He determined that the names of Jesu Cunobeline and Judas Khrestus are joined as one, Jesu Khrestus, and that would be the official name of the new Roman god. It was voted on (those two men) became one God. Constantine used the Council of Nicaea to legally deify the new god for the masses through popular consent.
Without a doubt it was this political act of deifying Yesu Cunobeline and Judas Khrestus into one Roman god that lead to the earthly Jesus Christ. Christian religion had not yet developed and the few church documents that refer to an established Christian god previous to the Council of Nicaea are later forgeries written in light of the decision at Nicaea. All of the books deemed heretical were ordered burned so that other doctrine would be suppressed. The name Jesus Christ was not found in literature prior to the creation of the myth of Jesus Christ in the Council of Nicaea. His name was created by combining two prior legends - the Druidic King of England Yesu Cunobleine, and his barbaric brother, Judas Khrestus. Yesu Khrestus, which subsequently became Jesus Christ. The stories that accompany the new god were all taken from existing myths.
The Emperor Julian, after the reign of the murderous "good Christian" Constantine, returned rights to pagan worshippers, stated, "If anyone should wish to know the truth with respect to you Christians, he will find your impiety to be made up partly of the Jewish audacity, and partly of the indifference and confusion of the Gentiles, and that you have put together not the best, but the worst characteristics of them both."
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The ACA Lecture Series continues Sunday, March 8th at 12:15pm at the Austin History Center, 9th and Guadalupe. The building opens at noon. Ryan Bell will talk on "My Year Without God: Now a Permanent Condition."