What is the problem with people today taking sides in a debate that is such a waste of time. It is like arguing what is the better color white or black. Yes, I realize what I just said. Theism, atheism, agnosticism seem like rational positions to me. It seems like religious theists who go further than philosophical theists are the problem. Why aren't theists and atheists honest and call it a tie and take on the real crazies.

Hei Ui,

Beg pardon, but do you mean we should get together with people who believe in an imaginary sky fairy to fight the people who are missing a noodle.

Who do people that believe in a fairy tale written for ignorant, primitive people think are the real crazies? You think that they want to fight the fundamentalist? Maybe just the one's who believe in Allah.

Its amazing the crap that some people come up with. God is an imaginary biblical fairy tale that offers everlasting life. Delusions are delusions period.

"Why aren't theists and atheists honest and call it a tie and take on the real crazies."

Yeah. We need to take the real crazies on-the people out there who watch American Idol. They must be destroyed.

But seriously, are you kidding? Rational, provable science and irrational thinking are not "tied." And last time I checked it was the theists who are bent out of shape about people not bowing to their god, not the other way around. All atheists ask for is their constitutional right to be left alone-I don't think that's aking too much.

Yeah, that would be great! Just sit back and let theists attack atheists and blame them for every evil known to man, and not even fight back. That's what I call crazy. Don't use the excuse that they don't all do it either. Enough of them have done it long enough to cause atheists to be just pushed out of American society, and for no reason other than dishonest propaganda.

We're visiting in Texas again this summer. I thoroughly enjoy reading what the rank-and-file atheists have to say. I have been reading Dawkins new discussion forum all day where the rank-and-file atheists can now put up topics for discussion.

Hei Ui, doesn't seem to know what's a matter! If you don't know by now I doubt that anyone can help you out. However, the problem is that many people think that atheists should not be seen or heard. The atheists have overlooked a great deal for a very long time without voicing much criticism, probably because they feared the consequences.

As an example of things that deserve criticism: Recall The 2010 Global Atheist Convention that was held in Melbourne, Australia. Here are some selections from an interesting Newspaper article - you can read online.

Australia "The Sydney Morning Herald" - Thank God we're not all atheists, bishop says - by Jacqueline Maley: RELIGION - April 2, 2010

"GODLESSNESS and secularism led to Nazism, Stalinism, mass murder and abortion, according to Anthony Fisher, the new bishop of Parramatta, who has used his inaugural Easter message to launch a scathing attack on atheism, while ignoring the sex abuse scandals besieging the Catholic Church worldwide. God is dead, Bishop Fisher said, but not in the sense that atheists mean."

My Remark: Fascism is connected to the theories of George Wilhelm and Friedrich Hegel. Fascists promoted their ideology as a "Third Position" between capitalism and communism. Capitalism, Communism, and Socialism are economic systems not religions. The Nazis (Fascists) nationalized religion. The Russian orthodox Catholic Church was doing business as usual the whole time Russia was Communist. Ekaterina Gordeeva and Sergei Grinkov got married in church, as they both were orthodox. The People's Republic of China has always had Confucianism, as well as, gods in Taoism and Buddhism throughout Asia. There never has - or ever will be - a shortage of religion in any place. "It is a opiate for the masses."

Back to the article: "Before World Youth Day in Sydney in 2008, Bishop Fisher was castigated for remarks he made about the case of a priest who raped two girls. He told a news conference he wished people would focus on the positivity of World Youth Day "rather than dwelling crankily, as a few people are doing, on old wounds".

Several church leaders have used their Easter sermons and messages to condemn the increase in atheism, with Sydney Anglican Archbishop Peter Jensen on Friday describing non-belief as an "assault on God".

Richard Dawkins, author of The God Delusion Introduction to the Richard Dawkins Foundation. I found this quote from Dawkins online. "The enlightenment is under threat. So is reason. So is truth. So is science … We have to devote a significant proportion of our time and resources to defending it from deliberate attack from organized ignorance…"